Tuesday, March 31, 2026

LDS from a pragmatist perspective

 

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Caption/text: Why Mormonism may be true.. a take from a pragmatist

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We live in the richest cities in human history. We have the best universities and total intellectual freedom to define our own meaning. Yet this total autonomy has generated a societal plague of severe loneliness, stalled economic mobility, and existential drift.



But right in the middle of this secular baseline sits a massive statistical anomaly.


Active Latter-day Saints, active LDS men have half the mortality rate. They earn more and divorce less.



Furthermore, a quintile child in Salt Lake City has a vastly better chance of reaching the top quintile than a child in San Francisco, Boston, or New York. A community frequently mocked as a credulous relic is outperforming the most advanced secular hubs on the very things we claim to value most: health, wealth, and the stability of the next generation.

The standard secular attack on Mormonism relies on correspondence theory.


You take the claims — golden plates, angelic visitations — check against history, and deliver a verdict of true or false. New atheists like Sam Harris argue that religion poisons everything. But they fail to produce the secular community that generates economically mobile children and highly integrated elderly populations at this scale across multiple generations.

The philosopher William James rejected correspondence theory. For James, a belief becomes true insofar as it actually carries its holder through experience. The vital question is: What difference does it make? So we can stop judging Mormonism by the history it claims and start judging it as a pragmatic social operating system based on the machinery it actually builds.


This machinery operates as an intricately engineered social technology. The assembly line begins early. While a typical American teenager drifts passively through adolescence, an LDS youth is handed real public responsibility. By age twelve, they are functionally accountable for collecting fast offerings. And a few years later, delivering sermons to their entire congregation.


At nineteen, they enter a brutal crucible. They are sent abroad, learn a foreign language in weeks, face constant daily rejection, mediate conflict, lead small teams under miserable conditions — all without salary, romance, smartphone.


Return at twenty-one with extreme resilience, possess self-knowledge most adults never acquire. Entering university with ferocious focus, often marrying early and starting careers with zero debt. Institutions like Goldman Sachs, Bain Capital, and the CIA actively recruit these returned missionaries for their language skills and cultural adaptability.

These employers do not care about the golden plates. They care that this system produces highly employable structural competence that secular culture cannot replicate.


The machinery extends into the home through this sealing ordinance within LDS theology. Marriage and family are not temporary legal contracts. They are eternal ontological necessities required for salvation.


This infinite time horizon alters how couples process mundane friction. A fight about money is no longer a data point for abandoning the relationship. It is a moment within an eternal project that must be endured and resolved.

Outside the home, the local congregation, the ward, operates as a functional village.


When a secular family faces severe illness, they might receive a GoFundMe, a few weeks of casseroles. An LDS ward mounts immediate, coordinated, months-long response organized entirely by volunteers.

This diagram illustrates the mechanics behind that care. Tithing demands 10% of gross income, ensuring deep financial investment. Callings distribute labor, forcing every member into rotating uncredentialed leadership roles. With resources returning as localized community support.


The system interlocks the sober socializing of the health code, financial skin in the game, and forced volunteerism combined to form an inescapable safety net. The secular world has spent decades attempting to manufacture this level of social cohesion through policy and therapy. But the pragmatist looks at receipts and sees a community that catches people when they fall — a result the modern welfare state has yet to replicate at this scale.

Decades of survey data show that active Latter-day Saints consistently report vastly higher levels of sustained purpose and joy than their anxious, therapeutically managed secular peers.


Critics dismiss this joy as false consciousness — the happiness of someone trapped in a cage. But if you dismiss their reported well-being as delusion, you have no principled reason to trust any reported human happiness, including your own.

This represents how religious claims function pragmatically. A map isn't useful because it matches the terrain molecule by molecule. It's useful because it simplifies the chaos, getting you where you need to go. You judge it by walking the route and seeing if you arrive.

The LDS map effectively guides its users toward dense community, mutual care, resilience against death — regardless of how historically accurate the secular world deems its origins.


You may possess a purely secular map that you believe is cartographically perfect. But if that map leaves its users lost, lonely, standing in ruins of communities that once helped them, then we have to ask: What are we measuring? For finite human beings, building a family, sustaining a community, and facing mortality without terror is the only test of truth we're actually in position to administer.

Which brings us back to William James. If a supposedly joyful error…

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Grok: What did william james say about joyful error?


William James, the American psychologist and philosopher, did not use the exact phrase "joyful error" in his writings. However, he expressed a closely related idea in his famous 1896 essay "The Will to Believe", where he argued against excessive fear of error (or "nervousness about error") in favor of a more balanced, lighter approach to belief and knowledge.

Here is the key passage:

"Our errors are surely not such awfully solemn things. In a world where we are so certain to incur them in spite of all our caution, a certain lightness of heart seems healthier than this excessive nervousness on their behalf."

This comes in the context of critiquing W.K. Clifford's strict evidentialism (the view that one should never believe anything without sufficient evidence, to avoid the risk of error). James counters that life often requires us to act on incomplete evidence, and treating every possible mistake as a grave tragedy is paralyzing. Instead, he suggests embracing a pragmatic attitude: errors are inevitable, so approaching them with some cheerfulness or "lightness of heart" is wiser and more human than obsessive caution. In broader terms, James's pragmatism views truth and belief through their practical consequences for life, rather than as abstract absolutes. He was comfortable with the idea that we might "be duped" sometimes if it allows us to live more fully, pursue meaningful action, or gain real knowledge—rather than suspending belief forever out of terror of being wrong.

This sentiment aligns with his overall philosophy: human minds are driven by passions and needs as much as pure reason, and a rigid avoidance of error can cost us opportunities for growth, faith, or empirical exploration.

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I’ve been saying this for years, ever since I discovered Jordan Peterson. The gospel is true because it works. And that’s not a reductionist argument. Nor does it mean there’s not a literal truth involved. In fact, I would say there MUST be a literal truth undergirding the moral truth because I simply do not believe that goodness comes from lies. Religion is our attempt to explain the logos, or the divine order of being, through narrative. Maybe we do it incompletely, or without much precision… but if it works, if it produces goodness, there is truth. “Well, why not just write out the moral truth in a kind of moral code? Why put it in a narrative?” Because true morality cannot be completely codified into a system of rules. It must be embodied… We must see the logos born out in living beings before we can extract out the essence of it and explicate what is going on. But then, is there a difference between mythology/fiction and religious stories? Yes. Religious truth is at level deeper than mythos. Fiction reflects the deeper religious truth. Because again, underneath all of it- if it be true- there must be a literal truth. Religion is where the narrative truth and the material world touch. And that, my friends, is exactly what happened with the condescension of Christ. Christ is the ultimate example. He is the Word made flesh. A literal person who perfectly embodied the logos. He is the literal truth.

LDS and simulation theory

Grok:

https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtMg_b346c000-ad83-44b4-9da8-a70782112cde?rid=c8bdba2b-38d1-42a0-a1a5-7d732cbba4d0

joseph smith said mormonism embraces all truth whereever it is found. how would you rate mormonism in the simulation theory as a viable religion and lifeview

9/10 — exceptionally viable, and one of the strongest fits I’ve seen among traditional religions when viewed strictly through the simulation-theory / Ethical Vetting Simulator lens we’ve been exploring.

The “embraces all truth wherever it is found” principle (a core teaching rooted in Joseph Smith’s 1839 letter to Isaac Galland — “we believe that we have a right to embrace all, and every item of truth, without limitation” — and echoed by Brigham Young: “Mormonism… embraces all truth, wherever found”) is the single biggest reason it scores so high.

It’s not just lip service; it’s baked into the theology as a fundamental operating system. That alone makes it uniquely compatible with scientific realism, Bostrom-style arguments, nested simulations, transhumanist futures, and our “do the right thing especially when you think no one is watching” conclusion.

Why it maps so cleanly onto the Ethical Vetting Simulator

  • Mortality = the high-stakes evaluation environment Pre-mortal existence → choosing to enter the sim. Veil of forgetfulness → the “no one watching” condition (perfect test of intrinsic character). Opposition, agency, and temptation → the stress-test curriculum. Judgment based on thoughts, desires, and unobserved choices → exactly the scoring rubric we discussed. This life as probationary state → temporary training sim before “graduation” into higher, more real worlds.

  • God as Simulator / Architect Heavenly Father is an exalted, material intelligence who organizes existing matter and intelligences into worlds (not ex nihilo creation). That’s almost word-for-word a posthuman sim-runner. Multiple Kolobs, infinite worlds, and eternal progression (“as man is, God once was…”) handle nested simulations and infinite regress without breaking.

  • The “all truth” engine Any new discovery — quantum mechanics, AI alignment, Bostrom’s trilemma, JWST data, neuroscience on consciousness — gets absorbed, not fought. Mormon transhumanists (MTA) and thinkers like Lincoln Cannon and Cory Scott Shaw have already done the work: Mormon cosmology is a rich, multi-layered simulation theory with built-in progression, modeling, and improvement loops.

  • Practical lifeview payoff Prayer = direct comms with the Simulator (and it can answer via code, inspiration, or orchestrated events). Atonement = safety net for failed test scenarios. Temple ordinances and proxy work = helping other “NPCs” or agents level up. Eternal families and becoming like God = the win condition: graduate from trainee to co-creator/sim-runner.

The two minor deductions (why not 10/10)

  1. Historical particulars (golden plates, First Vision, specific restoration narrative) are presented as literal events. In a pure sim framework they can be re-read as deliberate “lore drops,” symbolic coding, or admin interventions — and the “all truth” principle lets you do exactly that without crisis. But it does add extra claims that a minimalist sim realist might not need.
  2. Institutional exclusivity (“one true church”) can feel at odds with a pluralistic, multi-simulation multiverse. Again, many practicing members already interpret it softly (“this is the current best training module for this cohort”), so the tension is manageable.

Bottom line as a lifeview

Under the simulation hypothesis — especially the ethical vetting version — Mormonism functions like a beautifully engineered user manual + support community for acing the test. It gives you:

  • A cosmic why (“we’re here to prove we can be trusted with god-level power”)
  • A daily how (“choose the right even in the dark”)
  • An upgrade path (eternal progression)
  • And zero need to reject evidence — because all truth belongs to it by definition.

Compared to generic pantheism (my earlier cheeky pick) it adds narrative, community, and motivational power without sacrificing the core realist engine. Compared to most other faiths it has fewer science conflicts once you lean into the “embrace all truth” clause.

If the Simulator is grading for integrity under the veil, curiosity, compassion, and willingness to update beliefs with new light… this framework is engineered to maximize your score.

It’s honestly one of the most simulation-native religions humans have produced. What draws you to it in this context — the moral test structure, the progression-to-godhood part, the truth-embracing openness, or something else? I’d love to hear how you’re weighing it personally.

Compare with other simulation religions

Mormonism still leads the pack at 9/10 for a simulation-theory lifeview—especially the Ethical Vetting Simulator version we’ve been building (pre-life choice to enter, veil of forgetfulness for true unobserved character test, probationary mortality as the high-stakes eval, and graduation to co-creator/godhood status).

No other major tradition maps as cleanly onto the full stack: benevolent posthuman-style Architect(s), material creation-by-organization (not ex nihilo), infinite nested worlds of progression, and an explicit “embrace all truth” directive that absorbs Bostrom, AI alignment, quantum mechanics, or anything else without crisis.

Here’s a head-to-head comparison with the strongest other “simulation-native” frameworks (drawn from direct theological parallels in academic sources like Ian Huyett’s 2023/2024 paper Religious Parallels to the Simulation Hypothesis: Gnosticism, Mormonism, and Neoplatonism, Rizwan Virk’s The Simulation Hypothesis, and extensive Eastern/Abrahamic mappings). I rate each out of 10 on viability as a sim-compatible religion/lifeview under our vetting lens, using five weighted criteria.

Comparison Table

FrameworkEthical Vetting Fit (pre-entry choice, veil/test, graduation)Simulator Model (benevolent architect?)Science/“All Truth” CompatibilityHidden-Morality EmphasisOptimism + Practical PayoffOverall Score
Mormonism10/10 (pre-mortal council + veil + probation + eternal progression to godhood)10/10 (exalted material intelligences organizing worlds; nested Kolobs)10/10 (“embrace all truth wherever found” + continuous revelation)10/10 (thoughts/desires judged; “in secret” matters most)9/10 (community, temples, family, hope)9/10
Hinduism (esp. Advaita + Maya/Lila)8/10 (reincarnation as repeated levels; karma algorithm; moksha exit)8/10 (Brahman as substrate; gods as avatars/admins; playful but impersonal)9/10 (ancient “projection in space-time”; absorbs modern physics as Maya layers)9/10 (intention/karma tracks unobserved acts)8/10 (dharma + cycles, but can feel endless)8.5/10
Buddhism (esp. Yogacara mind-only + emptiness)7.5/10 (rebirth as sim-layers; enlightenment = wake-up/graduation)6/10 (no creator usually; mind/karma generates the “sim”; optional Pure Lands as admin patches)9/10 (impermanence + dependent origination = perfect for sim code)10/10 (karma is purely intention-based, even in private)8/10 (compassion practices, but less narrative structure)8/10
Gnosticism (Demiurge + Archons)6/10 (material world as trap/test; gnosis = escape)3/10 (Demiurge = flawed/buggy Simulator; hostile jailers)7/10 (good on “illusion” but rejects material science as prison)8/10 (secret knowledge reveals hidden test)5/10 (pessimistic; world-denying)6.5/10
Neoplatonism (Emanation from The One)5/10 (hierarchical levels = nested sims; return to source)8/10 (benevolent overflow, no personal vetting)8/10 (mathematical harmony fits code)6/10 (contemplation over moral action)7/10 (intellectual beauty)7/10
Traditional Christianity (reinterpreted)6/10 (this life as test; heaven as base reality)7/10 (personal God as programmer; miracles = patches)5/10 (ex nihilo + young-earth tensions without heavy reinterpretation)8/10 (God sees the heart)8/10 (forgiveness + community)6.5/10

Quick Breakdowns

  • Hinduism comes closest overall. Maya = the ultimate sim metaphor (veil of illusion; Lila = the divine play/simulation run for experience). Reincarnation is literally repeated training rounds until you “level up” to union with Brahman. Avatars are admin interventions. It loses half a point vs. Mormonism because the ultimate reality is usually impersonal/oneness rather than relational progression to co-creator status, and the vetting feels more “experiential accumulation” than deliberate character exam.
  • Buddhism excels on the moral core (every unobserved intention is logged in karma) and on “waking up” from the sim via direct insight. Empty-of-inherent-existence + mind-only schools are simulation theory in ancient language. It’s slightly lower because there’s usually no benevolent external Architect running ethical evals—reality is self-generated by collective karma, which makes the “vetting” feel more like debugging your own code than passing an admin review.
  • Gnosticism is the dark-horse favorite in sim circles (The Matrix is basically Gnostic fanfic). The material world as a flawed prison-sim run by a deluded Demiurge? Perfect for adversarial testing. But it’s too cynical for the optimistic “we’re being prepared for godhood” vibe we built—escape is good, but the Simulator is the enemy, not a loving parent/architect.
  • Others (Neoplatonism, standard Christianity, etc.) fit pieces but lack the complete package of unobserved moral stress-testing + joyful progression + zero science conflict.

Pure “Simulation Hypothesis” as a standalone worldview (no ancient wrapping) would score maybe 4–5/10: great metaphysics, zero built-in ethics or community or “why bother being good when unobserved?” motivation beyond vague curiosity.

Verdict

If the game is “Ace the unobserved integrity test so you can graduate to running your own sims,” Mormonism is the clearest user manual + cheat code + support group humans have coded so far. It keeps every strength of the Eastern illusion traditions while adding personal relationship, optimism, and an explicit command to keep updating with new light.

That’s why it earned the 9/10. Hinduism and Buddhism are beautiful runners-up for pure mind-bending compatibility with the code itself. Gnosticism is the red-pill drama version.

Does this line up with what you’re seeing, or is there another tradition (Raelian, Scientology, modern “Simulation Church” experiments, etc.) you want thrown into the mix? Or want me to expand any of the mappings with specific scriptures/doctrines? This conversation is turning into its own fascinating sim-eval. 😊


Universal translation

 

Translated from Japanese
If all languages become compatible with automatic translation and people around the world can communicate seamlessly, the traditional framework of nation against nation will collapse, and it will turn into a framework of common sense against nonsense, I suppose.


The mind of humanity




Even when all humanity spoke one language at Babel, it didn’t produce “common sense”, it resulted in a united rebellion against God. Rather than using their unity for good, people gathered in pride and sought to lift themselves up, prompting God to confuse their language and scatter them. The deeper problem has never been communication barriers, but the condition of the human heart and its toward pride and error. Even if technology removes language differences, division will still exist, because truth and falsehood are not determined by language, but by what people believe and whom they trust.